bikenut replied to your post: Weight estimate on the Surly Ogre
50 including the bike? Wow! A bud is an avid hiker and his pack with a Hennessy hammock is 40 something. Quick math of my gear and I’m at 20lb before I even get to food and kitchen stuff. list up your gear, sounds like I need to rethink my gear.
God, I really hope that copy paste works here, otherwise this will suck. Things sucked, I’m trying an image capture instead.
The camping gear I selected meets the following criteria:
- No frills
- Bare essentials (the only compromise I have here is the sleeping pad)
- Emphasis on weight, packed size and ability to use it while drunk/delusional/unable to function correctly/blindfolded
- Less emphasis on time to use it (if something was slower but lighter and more compact, I would use it)
- Less emphasis on cost.
- Cooking at the camp would be low priority; eating prior to arrival would be a higher priority, and cooking would be what happens when I couldn’t find anything to eat.
- The same would apply to water, with one small exception: the places I would camp and pass through should be close to or have nearby availability of drinkable water. If this is not the case, weight be damned.
So there are things I would normally include for shorter trips, like a hammer or a gas stove, that are excluded from this list or traded up in favor of a lighter option. Coming from Australia where dehydration is one of the most common causes of tourist problems, I take the water thing very seriously - but an enormous amount of the variable weight for camping IMO is the carting of water. 70 oz + 3x20 oz bottles is only 5 hours of moderate activity water according to Australian survival guidelines (3-4 in heat), but Rashmi’s 2.5 gal bottle would also weigh 20 lbs when full, or more than all of the camping gear combined. I also didn’t want to have the case where I was carrying significantly more water in a non-frame mounted container over the frame mounted containers. I can’t remember why, but I think it was something to do with being able to completely empty the container in the water bottles.
Some of these numbers I don’t have for sure, so I just sort of figured the cup, bowl and utensils combined would be 2.25 lbs or less. The list below is 186 oz, or ~12 lbs. The bike itself comes up to 29 lbs with the racks and fenders. 50-12-29 = 9lbs, for clothes, food, water and some basic tools. I also included what my friend Rashmi used in her motorcycle camping, just for reference - some of her stuff is a few years old, so lighter equipment may be available now, and her emphasis was on being comfortable and cooking real food.
Kris’s no-frills list
Rashmi’s tried and tested in Alaska camping gear (her camping gear is optimized for two people and carrying on a 600cc or more motorcycle, so there’s less emphasis on weight, still the emphasis on size, but a higher emphasis on comfort). Rashmi’s list is more like what I’d expect a normal person’s camping list to look like.